Wednesday, December 1, 2010

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 vs. Battlefield: Bad Company 2

It has come to my attention that people I often argue or discuss technological topics with, don’t truly have a good reason for their position or they don’t know how to present their position to really advocate it, and quite often in their defense they will stress that life isn’t a debate, or that it’s all opinion, therefore they don’t have to say anything any certain way or provide reasons for their thinking. Is this truly an excuse? Can we not discuss or debate by rules of logic just by the premise that we are not lawyers or in a debate tournament? I often find they say this through an attempt to evade their faulty logic patterns. I’ve grown tired of arguing with the same type of arrogant individual on technical topics. One debate I often find myself running into is that of Call of Duty vs. Battlefield: Bad Company 2.

I usually find that the only Call of Duty (COD) game that is compared to Battlefield Bad: Company 2 (BC2) is Modern Warfare 2 (MW2), this is the most fair comparison that I can provide for the best ground of discussion or debate because both games attempt to achieve the same objective of realism in the modern combat world that we live in today, it is therefore best to compare these two as they were meant to literally compete with one another.

The best way we can set up the debate is to designate certain areas of rating that both games pertain to the most, areas where we can find the most common ground possible. We designate these areas into two main sections, and then subsections in each, firstly, section one would be that of the technical aspects of the game, areas that are not largely debatable as they are mainly specifications rather than analytics, which brings me to the second area of debate, game play. It is most fair to divide the game into these two main sections because these are the two areas that gamers, whether console or PC will care about the most, this is quite obvious as we can see in popular review sources and by looking at basic facts from video game history, facts such as that graphics are becoming possibly one of the most important factors in gaming, especially for PC gamers.

This is evident by the ever-higher priced and performing market for video cards and graphics drivers, also seen by the high demand for games to be compatible with newer versions of directx, a Microsoft graphical user interface utility, the latest version out at the moment is directx 11, most games are built for directx 9 and/or 10, but directx 11, while new, has high demand for implementation in mainstream games, only the PC and the Xbox use directx, but the other consoles have an equivalent that can be compared to directx as almost a duplicate. There is little debate as to whether or not graphics are in high demand by the consumer as an important element in gaming, if this wasn’t the case, there wouldn’t be billions of dollars in the video game industry that primarily relies on advancements in graphics and physics, as well as sound quality to keep consumer’s eyes open and wallets empty, otherwise, games would still be released and built by the standards seen in the 1990’s in games such as Doom or Quake, games that revolutionized the industry and proved that the technical side of games is critically important to the consumer.

It is clearly evident that BC2 has an incredibly advanced game engine in comparison to MW2’s utility. The graphics which are utilizing directx 11 are undoubtedly better whether or not they are on a console or a PC, as is the sound quality and physics, not to mention the hacking protection that is much more effective than the poor excuse for a safeguard that MW2 provides, yet it is not completely effective, but then again, what game is? There is little debate on the technical aspect of the games, which reviewers see as important when they compare the two, as BC2 wins virtually every time. There is little debate because mainly it is generally raw facts other than an clash of theories, for example, individuals may legitimately argue that ATI is better than NVIDIA overall, but nobody is going to argue whether or not the Radeon HD 4870 is a better video card than the GTX 580 is, clearly, it’s not even remotely close. The real substance of argument that the debate is sees is when players or critics discuss the gameplay. One-half of the debate has already been overwhelmingly won by BC2.

Both of the games are attempting to mimic a reasonable amount of realism for the player as much as possible, however they planned to achieve it best from different standpoints that are obviously evident. MW2 attempts to replicate some sort of individualism between players, as seen by kill streak rewards and lack of teamwork while playing, to be frank, when playing MW2, the only reason players don’t kill each other in team games (if they don’t) is because they are on teams. Arguably it is the same way for BC2, however in BC2 there is no kill streak rewards of any kind, and that alone shows its objective, because if the history of mankind has shown us anything, its that people will act of incentive, and when there is an incentive for players to be in it for themselves in a video game, and truly themselves only, that proves alone that it isn’t team oriented, if it was, it would have more of an incentive for teamwork, which BC2 provides. Often there is mass communication between players in the forms of text and/or voice throughout the game, which again shows BC2’s approach to create realism, an approach that relies on teamwork and the value of teammates working together, why, because it is needed to win, and there, is the incentive.

What is realistic about MW2 exactly? What is realistic a bunch of players running around shooting randomly in small closed maps with no vehicles etc, that can call in virtually anything that the army has to offer including a nuclear weapon to further their win? Next to nothing is the answer. BC2 offers the far more realistic alternative that many gamers want. As far as this goes, which style you like best is up to you, either approach has pros and cons, however, the BC2 approach achieves a much more realistic environment for players that both games attempt to provide, and by that premise alone, BC2 wins, and at the point where we divide the debate into 2 sections, and 50 percent of it already goes to BC2 for the technical aspects, all that must be done to show that BC2 is truly better is for it to gain ground on one aspect of the other 50 percent, which I have shown that it does on the aspect of realism, which is clearly important to the developers and consumers alike as seen by advancements over the years, so either way, BC2 has already won more than half the debate, therefore winning the debate inherently no matter what. Other than that, the rest is up for debate, but one thing is sure, BC2 wins hands down.

10 comments:

  1. I would say that while the comparison seems quite biased (like you are obviously not writing this from a completely 100% objective standpoint, the purpose of this is to prove in some sense that BC2 beats out MW2), it is still a very well defended standpoint.

    I don't disagree that BC2 is a better game, but i would say your method of proving it is a little flawed for a few reasons.

    1. There are a lot more categories that reviewers use most of the time when reviewing games, (story, lasting appeal, online, and just how fun it is in general). Granted, story isn't very big in shooters, but the rest of them matter quite a bit. I think modern warfare 2 wins out on lasting appeal, which is pretty important. Also online (before everyone found out that IW are really lazy and never fix their glitchy online) was significantly better on MW2 than BC2. Anyways, the point is that its not just graphics and gameplay, there are other categories that are really important.

    2. Graphics are arguably (on the console versions) equal or better on MW2 than on BC2. I would disagree with people saying MW2 is better looking, but there are lots of people who would say that, and there isn't enough information out there to prove one over another, trust me, i've looked for polygon numbers, shaders, etc, there isn't anything definitive on the console versions. However, when you are comparing physics, BC2 obviously wins, as well as sound.

    3. Building upon point 2, you gave BC2 all of the 50% when it isn't that clear, one can clearly be the winner and yet still be a 35% 15% split between games, which definitely leaves open gameplay for MW2 to win out (assuming they had a commanding lead on gameplay).

    Overall the point is that, while i agree that BC2 is a better game, i think it is a lot more debatable than you make it out to be in this article.

    One last thing, i definitely agree with your thing in the beginning about douches who say "this isn't a debate, we aren't lawyers" etc. Those guys just need to learn critical thinking skills and how to defend a position.

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  2. My review is objective, I used to love Call of Duty, until I discovered battlefield. There are a lot of categories, but they can be narrowed down into 2 fields, game play and technical aspects, which you don't address. Do you own both games? No, you have a jaded opinion, because you only play console gaming, whereas I play PC and Console. I have a broader spectrum. Graphics aren't even in the same ballpark on MW2 when you compare it to BC2, go read some reviews on that, you don't know what your talking about, they just use different engines that utilize different components of directx and opengl. Point 3 isn't even worth addressing.

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    Wow travis, that response was quite rude (at least it came across that way) considering i was just saying that you need to be a bit more objective. I don't even think you really read what i posted. I said at least twice, if not 3 times during my comment that i think BC2 is a better game, which is definitely is. I'm just saying it definitely isn't as clear cut as you may think.

    As far as your review being objective, you owning both games doesn't make your review objective. For example, i used to be conservative, now i am a liberal, does that make me objective in assessing which political view is better, certainly not! Objectivity is not a question of exploring both options, it is about whether you wrote your article with a purpose to determine which game is better, or if you wrote your article with a preconceived notion in mind trying to defend and further that notion. You clearly like BC2 more than MW2 (as do I), and you wrote the article to show that and defend that it is better, which is fine, but it can clout judgement quite a bit. Of course everything is going to be biased on some way or another, just try to minimize the bias.

    Next, regarding your claim that you can always boil aspects down to gameplay and graphics, i agree to an extent. But if you are really going to boil it down to those 2, that means that Online, Story, Lasting appeal, and entertainment all have to be taken into consideration in the gameplay category, which would definitely put mw2 ahead at least in some categories in the gameplay category (lasting appeal, entertainment (maybe)), with quite a few of the other categories up for debate. So the point is that MW2 definitely has some ground in gameplay.

    Second, you randomly claim i don't own both games, when actually i do, sorta. I own BC2, and i've had derek's copy of MW2 for over a year, and have logged on tons of hours onto both.

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    Next, you are comparing the PC version of BC2 to the PS3 version of MW2, because i'm 80% sure you don't own MW2 on PC. Which is going to make for a huge bias in graphics comparison. I know for a fact that BC2 isn't nearly as dominant in the graphics department when comparing PS3 versions, i'm sure xbox versions are the same in comparison. So of course to you a PC game is going to look better than the PS3 game, thats just how it is. Also i have read reviews talking about graphics on MW2 vs BC2, i'll even link em to you, for sake of time i'm going to just do the biggest review site online (IGN)

    MW2 (9.5 overall, 10 on graphics)
    http://ps3.ign.com/articles/104/1043552p1.html

    BC2 (8.9 overall, 9.0 on graphics)
    http://ps3.ign.com/articles/107/1072833p2.html

    Also did you notice that the biggest review site online seems to disagree with you on breaking everything up into simply Graphics, Gameplay? Hmm...pretty telling. Maybe u should find me a review site that actually does break it up into that.

    Anyways, the point of that comparison wasn't to show you that MW2 is graphically better than BC2, it was simply to show you that there are reviewers that think so, in fact, there were a lot of reviewers that thought so, seeing how MW2 got a 94 metacritic and BC2 got an 88, thats quite a difference when it comes to games.

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    Also, i'm not quite sure if you know what you are talking about regarding directx and opengl, it sounds to me like you are just throwing words out, hoping i get confused and think you know what you are talking about. Because it certainly affects graphics, but you haven't explained in any meaningful way how BC2 has specifically superior graphics to MW2, and even if on a technical standpoint, BC2 is better than MW2, it is still very obvious that MW2 had more polish. Playing on some of the maps on BC2 online has some really low res textures, bad collision maps, etc. Whereas MW2 seems like they put more work into fine tuning the final details of the graphics. Engine wise, BC2's Frostbite engine is pretty good, but Frostbite 1.5 wasn't designed for DX11, that doesn't come till Frostbite 2.0, which will debut with Battlefield 3. Compared to the IW 4.0 engine, which as you know, uses the ID tech source code, they are both on pretty equal footing without taking into account other details like physics, they are pretty comparable, however i would argue MW2 has more polish.

    Regarding the fact that you said that point 3 isn't even worth addressing, i don't know why you think that. Let me lay out a scenario where even under your review, BC2 could still win. Lets assume that BC2 has vastly better graphics (it doesn't really), but even if it did, MW2's graphics definitely didn't suck, (at least not as bad as Black Ops's graphics :P). So it would still be reasonable to give MW2 at least 15-20% (maybe more) and BC2 30-35%.

    Then you get into gameplay, and between all of the different aspects, lasting appeal, fun levels, etc. You have to take into consideration that some gamers like games that facilitate their selfishness, so it might be more fun to have a game with killstreak rewards. Also a bit more customizability in MW2, and a few other things, could potentially put MW2 at 35% vs BC2's 15% (depending on who you ask), because you only said that BC2 had an edge on realism, you can clarify later, but as it stands right now, it is within the bounds of your review to have BC2 win under your reviewing framework, because you didn't prove that it should go 50% to BC2 and 0% to MW2.

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    Then you get into gameplay, and between all of the different aspects, lasting appeal, fun levels, etc. You have to take into consideration that some gamers like games that facilitate their selfishness, so it might be more fun to have a game with killstreak rewards. Also a bit more customizability in MW2, and a few other things, could potentially put MW2 at 35% vs BC2's 15% (depending on who you ask), because you only said that BC2 had an edge on realism, you can clarify later, but as it stands right now, it is within the bounds of your review to have BC2 win under your reviewing framework, because you didn't prove that it should go 50% to BC2 and 0% to MW2.

    So anyways, sorry i got really caught up in my points, the point is that you kinda quickly replied to me without even considering what i was really saying. I was saying that you made some really good points, MW2 has a myriad of problems, which is actually why i would much rather play BC2, i am just simply trying to play the devil's advocate here. You don't need to be telling me i have a jaded opinion, when i am actually stating something to the contrary of my opinion, and you don't need to compare anything regarding our expertise on the subject, neither of us are experts on reviewing games (you probably know more about graphics and the tech behind it, i probably know more about reviewing games because i've read tons of reviews) so no one persons claims are inherently more valid. The validity of a claim should rarely be based on the person saying it, it should be based on the claim itself as illustrated in this hierarchy of answering arguments :P

    http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/08/weekend_diversion_how_to_argue/disagreement-hierarchy.jpg

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  10. Wow, my post was so long i had to split it up onto 4 sections to avoid some HTML error for the posts being too long. I have no life. It doesn't matter what you say back to me, you will always win, because you haven't had to face the harsh reality that I just posted a response that was over 1000 words long (1157 to be exact, i had to copy/paste it into Word). So i posted that long of a response, to a response, to my intial response to a blog post about argumentation on a video game comparison posted by my friend. I just basically wrote a 3 page essay for no reason whatsoever. I fail...

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